Comments on: Flex Builder Source Folders Need to Go Back in the Oven http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/ Just another WordPress weblog Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:11:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Adam Brod http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2179 Adam Brod Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:17:47 +0000 http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2179 FYI, I went ahead and logged a bug about the FlexBuilder performance with Library Projects. http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-11097 I couldn't find another performance bug that was already open. If other people find it annoying, I hope you'll vote for it and maybe pressure Adobe into fixing it before Flexbuilder 3 ships. :) http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-11097 -Adam FYI, I went ahead and logged a bug about the FlexBuilder performance with Library Projects. http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-11097

I couldn’t find another performance bug that was already open. If other people find it annoying, I hope you’ll vote for it and maybe pressure Adobe into fixing it before Flexbuilder 3 ships. :)

http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-11097

-Adam

]]> By: joe http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2141 joe Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:34:09 +0000 http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2141 Adam, Thanks for the tip on Subversive, we'll check it out! (no pun intended) It's a little hard to answer your question on timing because our Eclipse builds run both compiles and some external Ant tasks - but the compilation aspect of the build looks to me to be in the 10 second range once everything is warmed up. Of course, we're not really comparing specific project sizes so maybe this number isn't meaningful. Working against SWCs in closed library projects is an interesting idea. I don't know what its speed is relative to the one-big-project model; we should compare that. Adam,
Thanks for the tip on Subversive, we’ll check it out! (no pun intended)
It’s a little hard to answer your question on timing because our Eclipse builds run both compiles and some external Ant tasks - but the compilation aspect of the build looks to me to be in the 10 second range once everything is warmed up. Of course, we’re not really comparing specific project sizes so maybe this number isn’t meaningful.

Working against SWCs in closed library projects is an interesting idea. I don’t know what its speed is relative to the one-big-project model; we should compare that.

]]> By: Adam Brod http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2140 Adam Brod Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:30:28 +0000 http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2140 Joe- About the large super-project, you wrote, "once you build them and warm up Eclipse’s caches they perform quite well". How fast would it take for a one line change to compile? We are deciding between one big project or multiple smaller library projects. For us, we would probably close the libraries not being modified, so that should speed up the build quite a bit. Depending on pre-compiled swcs seems to be fast in FB. However, I'm not sure if one big project would be faster and easier to manage. Thanks for your advice, Adam Joe-

About the large super-project, you wrote, “once you build them and warm up Eclipse’s caches they perform quite well”. How fast would it take for a one line change to compile?

We are deciding between one big project or multiple smaller library projects. For us, we would probably close the libraries not being modified, so that should speed up the build quite a bit. Depending on pre-compiled swcs seems to be fast in FB. However, I’m not sure if one big project would be faster and easier to manage.

Thanks for your advice,
Adam

]]> By: Adam Brod http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2139 Adam Brod Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:27:42 +0000 http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2139 I haven't tried it with FlexBuilder, but generally I have found Subversive to be better than Subclipse when working with Subversion. I haven’t tried it with FlexBuilder, but generally I have found Subversive to be better than Subclipse when working with Subversion.

]]> By: Daniel R. http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2138 Daniel R. Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:22:54 +0000 http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2138 I've <a href="https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-9971" rel="nofollow">logged a similar issue</a>. The comments on the bug indicate that the way we want to use source paths may just not be supported by the Eclipse platform. That makes all mostly useless in my mind... I’ve logged a similar issue. The comments on the bug indicate that the way we want to use source paths may just not be supported by the Eclipse platform. That makes all mostly useless in my mind…

]]> By: joe http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2137 joe Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:30:42 +0000 http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2137 Yakov, I'm not trying to be PC, really! While a certain percentage of the developers I work with would agree with you, many of us get a lot of mileage out of Flex Builder (the Eclipse plugin of course, not the standalone version). I know some Flex superstars who work only in vi and Emacs, and others who really prefer working in FB. While I tend towards the Emacs camp myself I find Flex Builder very helpful in many cases. I do not use it to actually compile anything large, I tend to use it as a source code browser and debugger front end. And as I get older I find code completion more and more helpful! None of us use Design View, though :) On another subject: If removing fonts reduced the compile time by 6.5 minutes, I have to ask -- how many fonts are you using, and did you restrict the Unicode ranges that were getting pulled in? Yakov, I’m not trying to be PC, really! While a certain percentage of the developers I work with would agree with you, many of us get a lot of mileage out of Flex Builder (the Eclipse plugin of course, not the standalone version). I know some Flex superstars who work only in vi and Emacs, and others who really prefer working in FB. While I tend towards the Emacs camp myself I find Flex Builder very helpful in many cases. I do not use it to actually compile anything large, I tend to use it as a source code browser and debugger front end. And as I get older I find code completion more and more helpful!

None of us use Design View, though :)

On another subject: If removing fonts reduced the compile time by 6.5 minutes, I have to ask — how many fonts are you using, and did you restrict the Unicode ranges that were getting pulled in?

]]> By: Yakov Fain http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2136 Yakov Fain Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:14:52 +0000 http://www.joeberkovitz.com/blog/2007/10/31/flex-builder-source-folders-need-to-go-back-in-the-oven/#comment-2136 Joe, You are trying to be politically correct, but Flex Builder has a long way to go to become an enterprise-grade IDE. So far, it's a good tool for training and sale presentations. You can add Perforce to the collection of unusable version control systems. Speaking of super slowness of project compilations...try to comment out the fonts in your CSS file. In my project this action alone reduced the compile time from 7 minutes to 30 seconds. CSS should be compiled into a separate swc. The proper way to deal with fonts is compiling them into a separate library linked to your project. Joe,

You are trying to be politically correct, but Flex Builder has a long way to go to become an enterprise-grade IDE. So far, it’s a good tool for training and sale presentations.

You can add Perforce to the collection of unusable version control systems.

Speaking of super slowness of project compilations…try to comment out the fonts in your CSS file. In my project this action alone reduced the compile time from 7 minutes to 30 seconds.
CSS should be compiled into a separate swc. The proper way to deal with fonts is compiling them into a separate library linked to your project.

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